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Re: Nord C2 vs Hammond XK3C

Postby Mooser » 12 Dec 2011, 21:10

"if you want to get really technical, proper organ technique requires two sets of drawbars."

Which the SK2 does not have. I must admit, tho, I have a big problem with the red-stained and clear-coated wood sides on my C2. The wood is so flawless, the clear-coat finish so smooth, that I live in fear of the first inevitable scratch or gouge. More than likely, I won't know when it happens, but I'll see it when I unpack the organ at home. And when the neighbors hear the loud cursing, screaming and sobbing, they'll call 911, thinking my wife has started beating me again.
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Re: Nord C2 vs Hammond XK3C

Postby jazzystu » 15 Dec 2011, 19:04

I had both a red cap and a white cap console organ (C3 and RT3) and the preamp output of both of the hammonds was very different. The Nord without the leslie sim is very very similar.

To the point that I expect none of you lot would be able to tell the difference whether any of the organs went through a hammond or leslie cabinet.

I'd put money on it as well.
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Re: Nord C2 vs Hammond XK3C

Postby whitenoise » 20 Dec 2011, 04:04

Hey! What about NUMA Organ? People keep on saying it has the best Leslie SIM. Better then vent. Has anybody ever compared it to C1 or C2?
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Re: Nord C2 vs Hammond XK3C

Postby dazzjazz » 21 Dec 2011, 13:39

I own a 1962 A100, two 1961 Leslies - a 45 and a 145 and I regularly gig with a Nord C1. I teach music at a university with an XK3c system and a Leslie 3300.
I'm a professional trained musician. I find oldtimecrank's opinion unnecessarily inflammatory and insulting. What anyone likes is purely a matter of opinion and taste.
I much prefer my C1 played through my Leslies than the above mentioned XK3c system. If you wanna hear me play my C1>Leslie 45 check out the audio on link page http://abcjazz.net.au/features/abc-jazz-recording-jeremy-sawkins. I think a lot of people are blinded by the 'Hammond' badge and wood finish. To me the Xk3 sounds plain wrong compared to my A100 which is a great organ and well maintained, but that's just my opinion.
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Re: Nord C2 vs Hammond XK3C

Postby flmc59 » 04 Jan 2012, 15:38

@oldtimecrank - unless you personally know the Nord developers - do you really know what intention they had when they developed the C1/C2.
I second your obseravtion that you need 4 sets of drawbars to fully use the potential of the hammond concept. One of the first things I did for my C1/C2 was to build a drawbarsetup. If I build one more it will be a 4 set one. You can plan ahead with 2 sets per manual.

One area where all clones , and the new B3, miss out is the keyboard feel.
Old hammonds (pre 74) have a key with a pivot point well inside the manual. This means the wight needed to press they is only a factor ~2 when you play the key as far in as you can. On modern keybeds with the pivot point 1 or 2 cm from the inner key end the increase in force is much larger. I've tested the new B3 and for the money the beyboard is as sloppy as on my XB3. (only played the xk3 once so i have no opinion)
The Nord keyboard feels a lot tighter. But it also has the pivot point issue.
I wonder if any clone has an old style keyboard with a very long key same as the B3.

From my point of view the C2 gives me all the gospel sound i need in a package that is easy to haul. With my homebrew drawbars i quickly get the sounds I want. I use a leslie 145. Pedals are an midified a100 pedalboard.

A B3 has other qualities that clones miss out on. The touch responsiveness. That is that the invidual contacts engage at slightly different position as you press the key.
The way a B3 changes sound when you play percussive slaps etc.
Have you tested if an xk3 adresses those things correctly?

If you want 100% B3 sound there is, in my opinion, only one way to go. The heavy one.
As for clones - get the one you like to play and that you feel gives you what you want. Then focus on the music.
As far as C2 goes - I habe never wished for a B3 when I play it - it delivers enough of what i want (of course I want more within what I know is possible for digital emulatio)
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Re: Nord C2 vs Hammond XK3C

Postby lancaihe » 26 Mar 2012, 15:20

I'm totally confused! I bought a Nord Electro 2 years ago after I had compared it to the Hammond clone that was out at the time, was it the XK1? I'm a long time Hammond fan, used to own a B-3, but got miserable carrying that big thing around. I listened and listened and listened, but for absolute sure the NORD sounded more like a B-3, in fact, it almost sounded better than my B-3 and leslie! Now I want to upgrade. I started looking at the XK3 and how wonderful it is and comparing it to the new Nord with the drawbars. The Hammond sounds better than when I listened to it years ago, but, sheez, I'm thinking that the NORD is STILL better sounding. Damn! Are my ears deceiving me???? If the price is lower I'm going to have to go with the Nord again. I don't want to make a mistake spending all of that money. Opinions please??? :roll:
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Re: Nord C2 vs Hammond XK3C

Postby DanielD71 » 26 Mar 2012, 16:22

Hello, I have an hammond xk3c and bought after the Neo Ventilator.
I bought a month ago the Nord Stage 2 and I love the B3 sound in it. I did not try the ventilator with my NS2 because the problem with the ventilator is the overload input signal. When I used it with my xk3c, the Neo sound was better than the xk3x system but I could not crank up the volume...the volume had to stay at the same amout in order to not overload the pedal input. With my NS2, the sound is incredible and for sure, the C2 sound must be fantastic as well ;-)

The Nord C2 is a very good choice, or the new C2D.
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Re: Nord C2 vs Hammond XK3C

Postby dazzjazz » 26 Mar 2012, 21:38

Too much chest thumping here. Not the first time either. I don't dig it.
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Re: Nord C2 vs Hammond XK3C

Postby robnuckels » 26 Mar 2012, 22:53

Hey, lancaihe !
It's quite okay to prefer the Nord sound to the Hammond XK sound. Both are often compared to each other. Some prefer the more 'straight' (but editable) Hammond Xk sound....others (like me, for instance) prefer the Nord Hammond sound. Hordes of players go one way or the other . The Nord is great to just play out of the box for SOME players ....others ? You read enough forums, & after awhile, you'll infer from the different posts that each Organ player marches to the sound of HIS or Her's clone of choice (unless he's weak-minded, & only keeps in mind what others tell him.) BOTH the Nord & the Hammond xk3c sound better than many of the Hammond consoles i used to play in the 60's, 70's & 80's (especially the Hammond B3000 .....yuk city.) Obviously, you want to go with your Heart, so..........do the right thing. Sometimes, less IS more.
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Re: Nord C2 vs Hammond XK3C

Postby flmc59 » 27 Mar 2012, 15:48

Having used one of the pre-production Nord C2d's for while all I can advice is:
- Go try it before you buy anything else.
If you after having tested a C2d decide to buy something else (Hammond SK, NewB3, XK) then that is your taste - and taste and preferences are hard to argue.
My GAS has been cured with the C2d. I know this sounds a bit "chest thumpy" but for me it is true.
The only thing I would consider buying after the C2d is a big Hammond tone wheeler just for the sheer joy of having one in my living room.
Or perhaps one more C2d since i live and work in different cities 500 km apart. When I do not have the C2d where I work I have a 49 key midicontroller and VB3 vst on my computer. The VB3 is a fantastic piece of software - sound vice it is second to none.
But if you weigh in all the factors, formfactor, weight and price then the C2d stands in a class of its own i.m.o.

When it comes to playing gigs the choice for me is easy the C2d in a Leslie 145.
The only thing that does not deliver from now on is ME. I can not blame the C2d for not having the potential.

If you look at the pictures from MusikMesse Frankfurt you will see Pierre Swärd demo the C2d. Pierre and I have known each other since 1992 when I heard him the first time and got out and bought an L-100 shortly afterwards. I spent countless hours tweaking and rebuilding the L.
Pierre has his beloved 1970,s B3 at home as his reference. We both agree that the C2d delivers a very good Hammond sound. In a very transportable package.
I regularly take mine on the X2000 train from Gothenburg to Stockholm. And walk it from the train station to the office.
This I could do with a SK or Mojo since the formfactor is similar. But I would not get the full set of drawbars which I want.
Btw does anyone here know if Hammond is updating the XK system with new revisions of their OS?

So my suggestion is - go test the C2d when it hits the shops. I think you just might like it :)
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