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C2D in mono?

Postby dazzjazz » 19 Sep 2012, 22:47

Is it possible to use the C2D in mono?
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Re: C2D in mono?

Postby flmc59 » 22 Sep 2012, 06:44

Have you tried just using one channel?
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Re: C2D in mono?

Postby Mooser » 20 Oct 2012, 00:31

I think it is basically a "mono" instrument. The signal for both the left and right channel are identical, and either can be used. I do believe the only time they are different is when the Leslie sim is engaged. At that time the left and right represent mikes on both sides of a Leslie. Would there be any point to summing them down to one channel if the organ is being played through only one amp?

This is one, exactly what the deal is with the two outputs, and the Leslie sim, is something Mr. Mastodon would know, and maybe he'll tell us.
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Re: C2D in mono?

Postby flmc59 » 20 Oct 2012, 07:34

It is not a mono instrument.
Left and right are not identical. It is a simualtion of a stero miked Lelsie.
But if you use one channel you do not loose anything but the stereo spread effekt.
It would be the same as muting on channel on the mixer board and setting the pan tonthe middle
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Re: C2D in mono?

Postby pablomastodon » 23 Oct 2012, 06:07

Hi Mooser/flmc59,

Please, please, no "Mr." needed; Pablo works just fine.

The audio outputs are parallel mono until rotary speaker is engaged, after which things do start to diverge in the stereo field.

As a matter of perspective, it may be useful to recall that 1) the tonewheel organ being modeled is, in fact, a mono instrument, and 2) that in many live situations the house mixer does not have the luxury of an unlimited number of audio input channels and the horn rotor is not stereo-mic'd. Taking only one side of the organ's audio output would essentially be equivalent to that.

In a studio production environment I would guess that most producers would want to take advantage of using a stereo feed in most instances. For live work...sometimes it's less practical to run stereo in club settings or small rooms. Certainly stereo is juicier and I always try to go that way when I can, but only in mains, not stage monitor.

The thing to avoid in ALL situations is to attempt to convert the stereo output to mono via a "Y" cable. This will almost invariably result in phase cancellation weirdness which will make everything sound simply awful. Then again, some folks really like simply awful... ;-)

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Re: C2D in mono?

Postby Mooser » 25 Oct 2012, 23:56

Pablo, while we're on the subject of outputs on Nord organs, would you tell us about the intended use of the "high-level" 1/4" output next to the 11-pin rotory speaker plug?
Should this output only be used to drive Leslie amplifiers which were designed to be driven off a console speaker output, or can it be used to drive a line-level input power amp?
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Re: C2D in mono?

Postby flmc59 » 26 Oct 2012, 10:51

You can use it for amps as well.
But remember that i packs a good umph. 3,5 v as compared to 1v line level.
No rotor sumulation available on this jack
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Re: C2D in mono?

Postby flmc59 » 26 Oct 2012, 10:52

If it is to high just tuen down the master or build an attenuator pad.
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Re: C2D in mono?

Postby pablomastodon » 26 Oct 2012, 15:31

It is possible, but not recommended. Best-case scenario, the lop-sided gain structure created by doing this will likely reduce the quality of tone. Worst-case scenario, it will damage the circuitry of the line level amp input. There is no good reason for wanting to do this.
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Re: C2D in mono?

Postby flmc59 » 27 Oct 2012, 22:16

I have used the high out to feed my MotionSound with no problems.
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