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Re: Who is reall a "Pro" in our community?

Postby Hanon_CTS » 25 Mar 2017, 01:52

Quai34 wrote:I mean, who is a musician and do it for living only on this website? I have the feeling that most of us have a "Day Job" and that our red keys are our hobby, am I right? I ask that because I think the level of some members, essentially when it comes to create new sounds very fast from scratch are "Pro Level"....

Any post that gets members to open up and share with each other, is a good one. :thanx:

IMHO, talent transcends "Pro Level" status.

This forum has an abundance of extremely talented members making contributions.

I'm a part time musician (weekend warrior).
I play 20 to 30 club and festival gigs a year.
I think that sound design, patch creation, and sampling is a skill that can be developed and enhanced with practice.

Like any of our musical disciplines, practice makes perfect (or maybe it's only perfect practice that makes perfect?).
The key however, is to practice.

I remember reading an interview of a professional keyboardist. In this interview, he said that the first thing that he did upon getting a new instrument was to listen to all of the presets, then dump them all and start creating new stuff from scratch.
Of course, this was during an era where instruments had 32 patches, not thousands like today.

My point to this rambling, senior moment stageheimers afflicted diatribe is:

The more you work at patch creation, the better and more fluent you will become at it.
The true potential of your instrument is in your hands.

Thanks all for sharing! :thumbup:
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Re: Who is reall a "Pro" in our community?

Postby Quai34 » 25 Mar 2017, 06:13

Thanks all for your reply, it seems that we have more "Hobbyist" than pro...I was also asking the question because my feeling was that, according to the ability of some peolpe like ananlogika to create patches jus like that, they might be pro or whatever....For me, just a hobby, well, I would say a passion...one gig per month but trying to put together another band, more Pop and dance/party than pure rock...
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Re: Who is reall a "Pro" in our community?

Postby koloman » 25 Mar 2017, 23:55

I am a hobbyist and already some years retired. I play for fun in a small band where we meet about monthly to make music together ("Kammermusik") and try to have at least one gig per year playing for mostly friends of us. Sometimes I play at church but my NS 2 including the Motion Sound Speaker is a little bit heavy for carrying around for only 5 songs... But I play and experiment much (my wife would say too much) at home - every day and it's a pleasure for me to listen to the sounds of my red ferrari.
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Re: Who is reall a "Pro" in our community?

Postby Quai34 » 26 Mar 2017, 03:21

To Hanon,
Funny you replied because when I posted the thread I was thinking about you as well....I'm sure I have few of your creation in my Stage 2...Ok, maybe I remember your name because I could understand why you practice a lot..."Hanon", for scales, Arpeggio and exercises was the most common method for practicing 40 years ago...I think my mom should still have one at home....Ok, now, when I want to work on my "fluency", I practice Boogie or Beethoven....
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Re: Who is reall a "Pro" in our community?

Postby funkylaundry » 28 Mar 2017, 18:02

I don't think most "pros" can afford "the red drug" :D

So I used to be "pro" for a very short duration. Soon learned that it was not sustainable for me so now I have a regular day-job that I enjoy almost as much as playing music. I know a lot of people who took the same route as me and I don't necessarily think that the amount of talent is proportional to the likelihood of someone being a full-time professional as I know amateur musicians that have higher level than professionals.
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Re: Who is reall a "Pro" in our community?

Postby LudovicVDP » 28 Mar 2017, 19:53

I'll be a pro in another life for sure.

In this one, I play on average 10-15 gigs a year with a cover band.
Came there by accident after years and years being a DJ and "working" on sounds and things (Ableton and stuff). The group needed someone to play sounds that a guitar can't do. My piano (lack of) skills frustrate me every day but my home-made Faithless Insomnia sounds gets the dancefloor on fire every time.
I usually say that I'm not a keyboardist, I'm just the man behind the keyboards. :-)
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Re: Who is reall a "Pro" in our community?

Postby kbrkr » 25 May 2017, 14:16

Hi Everyone,

I'm new here. Just pre-ordered the NS3. I've been a long time Motif / Kronos user.

Been a working musician for 50 years. I have a day job because I have 3 children I put through college and music just doesn't pay that well unless you tour or publish your own compositions. I play in a Big Band, a 3-Female fronted cover band, a 3 piece, and I play solo. Since I must claim my music income on my income taxes, I guess that makes me a pro??? LOL Good to get together with other musicians and share war stories.
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Re: Who is reall a "Pro" in our community?

Postby dhbp-nord » 25 May 2017, 15:01

Spent 15 years in the 80's-90's being a club musician, some studio work and programming - all for fun now though. Play a few dozen times a year with a community choir and a weekend warrior smooth/contemporary jazz 5-piece. Really enjoy setting up patches and sequences for live use, have always been into splits, layering, patch tweaking, etc etc. used to have 5-6 boards onstage but now have cut it down to 2 and my VST rig.

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Re: Who is reall a "Pro" in our community?

Postby Gambold » 25 May 2017, 17:35

The hobbyist aspect would go a lot smoother if we would just play for free. The largest hurdles in being a "weekend warrior" is you have to compete to book gigs and haggle over money. It doesn't help that whenever you tell a non-musician friend about a gig, almost the first thing they ask is "how much did you get paid?"

I play golf and no-one pays me for that. I have friends in community theater and they draw no salary for their performances. They do it all for fun. But for some reason, hobby bands have to be paid...and of course half the time you are dealing with bounced checks or scurvy bar owners. It would all go a lot better if we actually did it just for fun, and not expect $100 or whatever at the end of the night as some kind of validation. And the bars would likely comp all the drinks then....
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Re: Who is reall a "Pro" in our community?

Postby Quai34 » 25 May 2017, 18:12

@Gambold
I don't agree, I think the usual statement for a lot of people is that musicians like to play, like Pilots like to fly and thus, they are not supposed to be paid. The story behind this coming from the bar/club owner is that : "It will make you known, just play free, we will see next time..."
I'm done with that. Musicians are responsible for that situation, they have been accepting to play for free and then, everyone is expecting this now...It's also an aspect of the "All free online music", they consider that music/creation/performing is free online, so, why pay for a concert (Unless it's AAA Artists).
For us, 200$ per musicians for 2 sets or we don't take it: The benefit to have a day job...Even if we do it for Fun, when we have a gig, we have to load the truck/Car, install the gear, balance, play, tear down, re-load the truck and reinstall the gear: 6 hours total: If we accept to play for free, why we should accept to do the extra stuff for free as well? This is what we are saying to the club owners: Ok, we play for free but you pay for the "logistic". It has worked few times...And for the meal and drink, it's always free for us, one 1 Food+1 drink" for each musicians...
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