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Re: New Piano Amber Upright

Postby anotherscott » 06 Jul 2017, 03:00

Gambold wrote:I gotta ask - what's going on with the file size bloat?

It's always nice to have an XL option for those who are committed to that piano, but the dramatic increase of the lower files sizes for the newer pianos hurts users of older Nords, who just don't have the room.

Most of the classic Uprights have L files in the 60-70 MB range. Now the Amber has clocked in at 99.8 MB for it's L. That's a rather considerable jump over the Black or the Queen, and given that the features of the L sample haven't changed (type of string resonance, etc), does anyone have any idea why this is?

Just in general, not counting features like string resonance which as you point out is handled separately via the different versions, you can achieve better samples by (a) sampling more notes (i.e. doing less stretching from adjacent notes), and/or (b) sampling notes for greater lengths (i.e. having more of the full original attack before having to resort to a loop) and/or (c) sampling at more different velocities (to better capture the actual dynamics of the original piano). All of these things increase file sizes, but generally provide better sounding results. Since these files are larger than comparable older files, it is likely they contain more and/or longer samples.

If you don't like it better than something you already have, the size is not an issue. If you do like it better than something you already have, consider that it's greater file size might be one of the things that is making it sound better. And you don't have to go with the large version. While it's nice to have the best of everything, it's very possible that a small (no string resonance) version of a piano with more/longer samples would sound better than a smaller sample set with the string resonance. IOW, it's possible that the Small version of Amber sounds better overall than if they had made a smaller Large version with less sample data.
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Re: New Piano Amber Upright

Postby cphollis » 06 Jul 2017, 04:34

FWIW, it's the inevitable technology upgrade cycle. Megabytes become gigabytes. And it's all good.

The previous comment about Nord recording efficiency, yeah, I buy into that. You want to go small? The Nord piano S samples probably deliver more bang for the buck than anything out there. And if you want more, there's more.

The nice thing about Nord is that they really don't force you into upgrade cycles, unless you want them. Heck, there are 5-10 year old Nord boards out there, sounding as great as ever. It's sort of up to you.
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Re: New Piano Amber Upright

Postby afroskully » 06 Jul 2017, 15:52

I loaded up the XL amber to A/B a trio of pianos at my gig last night: Royal, Silver and Amber. Wasn't concerned with grand vs upright, just wanted to hear which of these three would sit better in the mix in a loud band with two guitar players. As much as I love the Royal, the Amber kept getting the call. It's an amazing sample with lots of character that pops in the right frequencies. Silver kept getting drowned out somehow, despite it's bright nature... just felt like it was lacking in the middle a bit. I'll be replacing the grand upright with this now.
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Re: New Piano Amber Upright

Postby Gambold » 06 Jul 2017, 22:39

>Amber Upright
Warm, soulful and clear addition to the Nord Piano Library<

I always love the copy. As opposed to a cold, soulless and murky addition to the library?

Come to think of it, I could probably use one of those...or was that the Velvet...SNAP!
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Re: New Piano Amber Upright

Postby daniel70 » 10 Jul 2017, 23:20

Great addition, i think this will be my go to piano!
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Re: New Piano Amber Upright

Postby Nadroj » 11 Jul 2017, 13:16

Have been playing this non-stop at home. It is absolutely wonderful. With String Resonance on, I'm noticing that there's a SLIGHT (VERY VERY SLIGHT) detuning in the notes when you hold certain notes with the pedal down. It makes it sound so authentic and real. Definitely my favourite sample for home playing. Haven't tried it live yet.
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Re: New Piano Amber Upright

Postby iamdave » 14 Jul 2017, 17:58

Yea, I really like the Amber also.
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Re: New Piano Amber Upright

Postby BuckW » 15 Jul 2017, 08:32

I wonder if the character all are describing has as much to do with the microphones used as the piano.
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Re: New Piano Amber Upright

Postby harmonizer » 15 Jul 2017, 14:14

I would think that mic selection and placement would both matter a lot.
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Re: New Piano Amber Upright

Postby OrpheusNY » 16 Jul 2017, 22:27

Another endorsement for the Amber. It has replaced both the Black and Queen uprights in my E5. Very satisfying to play.
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